Map Of Biblical Israel
This action is sure to ruffle some anti-semitic feathers, especially in Washington, (who might just take back that veto against a Palestinian State in the UNSecurity Council, when and if the time ever comes,) the EU, the UN, and of course the Arabs who call themselves ‘Palestinians‘; but since the ‘Palestinians’, the United Nations, and now the European Parliament , who has recently announced that Palestinian Statehood is legitimate, Israel is doing what it must do by preparing for the worse case scenario; the Israeli Knesset is planning a vote to annex, or to legally take over and make Judea and Samaria, and Jerusalem, dubbed the ‘West Bank’ a permanent part of the land of Israel, which makes this area a non-negotiable piece of land. The vote will take place at the end of October. I think the Israelis should have done this long ago; but everything concerning God's Holy City of Jerusalem and His land comes in God's timing, not ours.
Not surprisingly, the Europeans’s decision legitimizing 'Palestinian Statehood' came a day after the UN Security Council agreed to hand the ‘Palestinian’ application to join the United Nations to a committee that will review and assess in the coming weeks.
The Knesset bill, authored by Danny Danon, will also nullify any financial agreements between Israel and the ’Palestinians’, and will nullify the Oslo Accords, obviously because the Arabs did not live up to their part of the Accords.
Hopefully, this bill will pass the Israeli Knesset, but will without a doubt, not be accepted by the world’s powers. We must pray that the Israelis are united in this endeavor, since the biblical land of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem, has always, since the beginning of ancient Israel, been a part of the Kingdom of Israel, and the home of the founding patriarchs of Israel, Genesis 49:29-33. even though conquered and occupied by foreign powers. In fact, Jesus told us that the City of Jerusalem, Israel shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
Jerusalem was recaptured by the Jews in 1967 during the Six Day War and became a reunited City, and no longer under the control of the Gentiles. If I am understanding what Jesus said correctly, Jesus is telling us that the end of the age of the Gentiles corresponds with the Jewish re-establishment and reunification of the City of Jerusalem, Israel. Further, Jerusalem is once again the capital of Israel as a reunited City, whether Hillary Clinton recognizes this fact, or not.
King David conquered the City, after which Jerusalem was known as “The City Of David”. Jerusalem was the capital of a united Israel during King David and King Solomon’s time. Jerusalem is where Jesus was crucified, died, buried and resurrected and where His church started. King David, during his time, also moved the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. 2 Samuel 6:12-19, 1 Kings 3:1, 1 Chronicles 11, Matthew 27, Matthew 28, John 19, John 20, Acts 2
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Toni- Thanks for sharing. Some strong points shared in this post. Your understanding of Lk.21:24. Can you give more specifics on what you understand by "....the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled".?
ReplyDeleteShalom In Yahshua
Yuri
Hi Yuri...
ReplyDeleteGood to hear from you again.
The point in your question, I believe, is has the time of the Gentiles been fulfilled? In it's entire context, I believe Jesus gave us a clue as to when the time of the Gentiles would be fulfilled.
Jesus said:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24.
If I understand Jesus correctly, the above prophecy is speaking of the Jewish people and their thousands of years being scattered around the nations, and has been fulfilled, culminating with the capture of and the reunification of Jerusalem by the Jews in the 1967 Six Day War, taking the City back from the Gentiles (arabs) meaning that the City of Jerusalem is no longer under the control of and trodden down by foreign occupiers, inspite of the fact that it is now a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, and is a burdensome stone for all people, fulfilling Zechariah 12:2-3
Further, I am of the opinion, and that is just my own thoughts on this, that God's Holy City of Jerusalem will never again be trodden down by the Gentiles, meaning under the control of foreign powers, since it has been reunified by and under the control of the Jewish people in 1967, giving the City back to its rightful people.
His City is in the hands of the Jews to stay, until Zechariah 14:1-3 fully comes into play, (we are seeing the beginnings of this prophecy or "state setting" now) during the final battle for Jerusalem when the Lord Himself defends the City when the Lord returns. Does that make sense to you?
Shalom to you,
Toni
Hi again Yuri:
ReplyDeleteI forgot to mention in my previous message to you that I explain much of my thinking on this topic in my entry here:
http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2010/10/judah-and-jerusalem-under-siege.html
Blessings,
Toni
Thanks Toni I understand your position now. Do you think that "the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" could have application to the fact that after a certain time (which I personally believe is up) that YHWH will work chiefly with Israel; as the time He had appointed for the Gentiles to move His work forward has come to the point were the need for us to understand and accept fully our Hebrew roots and embrace fully the Torah?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link.
Yuri
Blessing to you, Yuri:
ReplyDeleteIndeed, I do think that God is now focusing His attention upon the people of Israel and from here on out will reveal Himself in various miraculous ways to draw the people of Israel to Him. That being said, I think He is about to show His compassion, forgiveness and enduring love toward these people since their thousands of years of “punishment” and chastisement as a people group and a nation for their rejection of the Messiah when He came the first time is completed.
Of course we as Christians know our roots are in the Hebrew Scriptures and we know that the entire Jewish race is not responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus, (He willingly gave Himself up for all to atone for sin); nevertheless, God did in fact hold them accountable as a nation because of the leader’s rejection of their Messiah and their refusal to accept His message of the need for repentence of sin, and their missing “the time of His visitation” (Read Luke Chapter 19) at the time Israel’s Messiah came the first time. Additionally, Jesus in fact rebuked many cities in Israel for not repenting of their sins even after seeing His miracles according to the Scriptures. Matthew 11:20.
I am not sure if I am understanding you correctly when you say:
“the need for us to understand and accept fully our Hebrew roots and embrace fully the Torah?”
The ‘Torah’ is “the law;” (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/The_Written_Law.html)
Jesus said:
“Think not that I am come to destroy “the law“, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill”.Matthew 5:17
Everything in the ‘law’ (Torah) is summed up and fulfilled in Jesus and His atoning works for sin completed upon the cross at calvery. This is what God wants His people of Israel to accept. Matthew 23:39; Psalm 118:26
Shalom, my friend,
Toni
October 19, 2011
Shalom Toni,
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks for your response. I agree and marvel at your understanding of the "times of the Gentiles". The part about the Torah; my question is:
According to Scripture (1Jn.3:4) Sin is defined as the transgression of the Torah.
And based upon the post I've read here I do not believe that you teach disobedience to Torah.
Toni,
ReplyDeleteFrom a Hebrew perspective the Torah is the first five books of the OT. And the word Torah means instructions.
Shalom In Yahshua
Hi Yuri:
ReplyDeleteI have always understood that the 'Torah' 'law' and 'instruction' are basically interchangeable; What do you think?
Here is how the Greek concordance interprets 'law' as in Matthew 5:17, taken from e-sword's concordance:
G3551
νόμος
nomos
nom'-os
From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
Blessings,
Toni - October 20, 2011
Toni,
ReplyDeleteDid you get my other email regarding Torah and my reference to 1JN.3:4?
In regards to your question if we go to the OT Scriptures we find that "Strong's Number H8451 matches the Hebrew תּוֹרָה (towrah), which occurs 219 times in 213 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV.
Many people think that Law means 10 commandments.....but the Ten Commandments are an abbreviated, condensed, Text of the expanded Torah or instructions.
I'm sure you are familiar with 2Tim 3:16,17 and that the Scriptures which Shaul (Paul) is here referring to; in the immediate context is The Old Testament. For the NT had not as yet been codified.
The story is told of a Jewish Rabbi once saying to a believer in Messiah as to why they would not accept the Messiah of Christianity; and the reason he gave was that they do away with the OT.
Toni I think that we as grafted in believers need to understand more of the OT and its relevance to us today. (Not in terms of bondage to trying to keep the law in the flesh) for this is an impossibility. But we must meet our Hebrew brethren/sisters half way. And what do I mean by this? There are things we have learned that were brought into Christianity that are pagan in origin. The Jews know this....and will not touch it with a ten foot pole. There are also things which they (Jews) must accept as well....the Messiah Yahshua who fulfilled the Torah at His first coming. But if we do not live and preach that same apostolic 1st Century Yahshua than they have no reference to Torah upon which to lay hold unto Him....the Word made flesh who dwelt among us....who was full of grace and truth.
What are you thoughts?
Hello, Yuri:
ReplyDeleteShalom to you, my friend.
Yes, I did get the email that speaks of 1 John 3:4, and it is posted above. And thank you for your comments.
I agree whole heartedly that Bible believing Christians need to be aware of their Jewish roots of our faith. In my earlier blogging days on this site that date back to 2006, I have many articles that address the topic of Replacement Theology, and how the Roman Catholic Church satotaged Biblical Christianity.
These articles are still very popular among readers as I have many readers who come into this blog regularly who have searchd for this type of information, and find it here. Praise God!
Toni
October 21, 2011
I'm glad to see that people are becoming aware of their Hebrew roots I've learned that "The Word Hebrew , In Aramic , Is The Word Ibriy Which Comes From The Root Word Abar . Which Means ; '' To Cross Over , To Pass Over '' "
ReplyDeletethe link to this is:http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?22257-What-Is-The-Meaning-Of-The-Word-Hebrew-And-Where-Did-It-Come-From
For example, I always thought that the Feasts of YHWH were done away with....like you know OT stuff. But through much prayer, study, and more prayer....I've found that YHWH in Gen.1:14 set up His moed....His appointed times. I almost could not believe my eyes; and yet there is was right in Gen.1:14 where YHWH set up His appointed times.
Hi Yuri:
ReplyDeleteYou wrote:
"For example, I always thought that the Feasts of YHWH were done away with....like you know OT stuff. But through much prayer, study, and more prayer....I've found that YHWH in Gen.1:14 set up His moed....His appointed times. I almost could not believe my eyes; and yet there is was right in Gen.1:14 where YHWH set up His appointed times."
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Indeed, The Biblical "Feasts" of the Lord are actually "appointment times" and a shadow of the things that were and are yet to come,, the Apostle Paul wrote, fulfilled in Jesus Christ ( Colossians 2: 16-17)(Hebrews 10:1) that teach us about our Messiah and were given by God to help us learn and to understand God's redemption plan for the world.
Toni
October 22, 2011
Shalom Toni,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your response.
Do you believe that YHWH'S Appointed Times (Holy Days) were/are a Shadow OR the ceremonial rites held at those times were/are shadows of things to come?
Hi Yuri:
ReplyDeleteThe Feasts/Appointments are a shadow of things that came and are yet to come, in Jesus Christ, the Messiah and are all fulfilled in Him.
The Seven Biblical Feasts (Appointments) of the Lord are a beautiful lesson that the Lord has shown to us through the Hebrew Scriptures that point to the Messiah Jesus Christ and all of the Feasts are to be fulfilled by Him. Four have already been fulfilled by the Lord Jesus Christ at God’s appointed times. Three Biblical Feasts (Appointments) remain yet to be fulfilled, but surely will be fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus Christ.
For instance, The Feast of the Passover has its origin when the Israelites were liberated from slavery in Egypt (Exodus 12, 23), and other places in the Hebrew Text. We know as Christians that the Messiah Jesus Christ is our Passover Lamb, and fulfilled the Feast of Passover. (Passover (Hebrew Pesah) means „to pass over, to skip") See my entry “Jesus Christ Fulfilled The Passover”http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2011/04/jesus-christ-fulfilled-passover.html
The Biblical Feast Of Unleavened Bread was fulfilled in the Messiah Jesus Christ
“Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses“ Exodus 12:15” Yeast is a symbol of sin. This Feast or Appointment was fulfilled when Jesus’ body was put in the ground symbolic of unleavened bread - Jesus was “without sin”
The Feast Of First Fruits was fulfilled in the Messiah Jesus Christ. Taken from Leviticus 23:10-11
“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.”
Jesus’ Resurrection became the ‘first fruit’ He is the ‘first fruit’. I Corinthians 15:20
Feast Of Pentecost (Shavuot) was fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus Christ,
and commemorates the giving of the law to Moses on stone tablets by God. Taken from Exodus 32: depicts the anger of Moses when he saw the molten calf the children of Israel had made: Exodus 32:19 “And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing, and Moses ‘anger waxed hot, and he cast the tablets out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.
Exodus 32:28 “And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and then fell to the people that day about three thousand men (DIED)
The Church of Jesus Christ began through the giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost 3,000 men come alive. Acts 2:40-41. The law of Christ is written upon your heart. Romans 8:2.
We are now waiting for Jesus Christ to return, fulfilling the Feast of Trumpets, Yom Kippur or Day of Atonement, and Feast of Tabernacles, all depicted in the OT. All of these Feasts are celebrated today by non believing Jews, without recognizing their Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Yuri:
ReplyDeleteYou asked,
Do you think that YHWH'S appointed times have been fulfilled such that we do not have to meet with Him at these specific times (as outlined in Leviticus 23?
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The ‘Torah’, ‘law’, ‘instructions’, or whatever you want to call it all point to the fulfillment in God’s Son, Jesus Christ. If you believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, have repented of your sins, and His teachings, you have fulfilled the ‘Torah’, law,’ ‘instructions’. It’s that simple, Yuri. You are constantly meeting with your Messiah as He lives within you in your heart.
As I have explained above, God’s “Appointment” times are all fulfilled in His Son, Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the ‘old law’, He Himself said so. I do not celebrate a pagan Easter holiday, I celebrate Passover, relayed above, which God’s Son fulfilled at the appointed time according to the Scripture, culminating in the crucifixion of Christ as an atonement for sin once and for all for the human race. Under the New Covenant, the Blood of Christ does more then cover the sins that are past. It forgives all sins, past, present and future. It does not have to be done yearly or on a regular basis, it was a "once for all sacrifice." We now live under His Gospel of Grace, and not the ‘law’.
We must not be as some of the early Jewish Christians whom the Scriptures speak of at the Council of Jerusalem,(Acts 15:1-30) some of whom were coming out of all kinds of pagan and religious backgrounds who did not know how to live as Christians. They were called Judisers and were coming to the early Christian church, trying to put early Christians back under ‘Jewish law’.
Christians live their life in the Spirit, and are lead by the Holy Spirit; and live by faith in our Messiah, and are not under the law, (which is a works related and not a faith based salvation) which Christ gives to all who believe and follow Him. Christ is the law.
I celebrate the Biblical Feast Days, giving thanks to my Lord and Messiah, Jesus Christ, as I do each day of the week, for what He has done for me.
Hope this helps explain my position better.
Blessings,
Toni-
October 24, 2011
Toni,
ReplyDeleteYes, I understand your position better now. Thanks for sharing.