Wednesday, January 25, 2012

What You May Not Know About "The Mark Of The Beast" And "666"

Six hundred and three score and six Revelation 13:18

With each passing day, I am becoming more and more aware of the idea  that the mark of the beast we read about in Revelation 13: 16-18 is being exposed to us  right before our very eyes. I am not alone in this thinking, but am among the growing list of those who believe this. Recently, the Lord has been drawing me to the idea that the mark of the beast, or 666, is not only  a figurative description, but  even a spiritual connotation with a set of attributes that give meaning to the passage from Revelation 13:16-18 to determine what the scripture may be applied to; thus giving it  a spiritual meaning.   I could say it is becoming so obvious, that one may not see it unless it has been pointed out.
 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred and threescore and six. Revelation 13:16-18.

Notice that in the above scripture there are 3 distinct nouns mentioned, all different from each other: mark, name or number.  It is very plausible that John, when writing the above passage, wrote down what he saw, six hundred years before Islam ever came into being. And what John saw may not be what  many Christians have interpreted to be  a "literal" number,  six hundred and sixty-six, and  may not be a number at all, but rather symbols and characters  for a man’s name, or the name of the beast, or a  (kingdom) it represents.

Strongs intepretation for the word “beast” is a wild animal.

From Daniel’s dream in Daniel 7:3-6, Daniel describes three kingdoms which he saw, figuratively, as a lion, a bear and a leopard. Further on, in Daniel 7:23, Daniel writes that the fourth “beast”shall be the fourth “kingdom”. So we can conclude that the word “beast” denotes a “kingdom.” Further, there is no dispute among those biblical historians  who have studied these three beasts or kingdoms who they represent, with the leopard being the ancient Greek empire or kingdom, which includes modern day Syria,  the lion being ancient Babylon,which today includes modern day Iraq,  and the bear the Medo-Persia beast (kingdom,) which includes modern day Iran.   The fourth beast (kingdom) in Daniel 7:7 is described as being dreadful and terrible and is known to be the ancient Roman Empire.

From Revelation 13:2, John writes “And the "beast" which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion.  In this scripture, John mentions "beast" in the singular form, which includes parts of all the other three  "beasts."  All of the above ancient empires, or beasts,  today are all Islamic kingdoms and the ancient enemies of Israel.   John further writes that the dragon, which we know is satan, gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. From these scriptures, it’s not too difficult today  to see the mark of the beast and what it represents today.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
The muslim army suffered  a deadly wound in its attempts to conquer Europe at the Battle of Tours in 732.

The first jihad of muslim conquest and  atrocities ended at the Battle of Tours, causing a literal head wound when the leader of the muslim army, Emir Abd er Raham, was killed. With no leader, the muslim army was forced to turn around. Had Rahman prevailed at the Battle of Tours, he would probably have conquered and taken all of Christian Europe at the time, but his death saved Europe from the muslim conquest and islamization, which undoubtedly would have changed the course of history.

But, as history has proven  the Islamic  head wound has been healed, only to carry out jihad somewhere else and or to return to a former location where Islam was defeated to  try again.
And they worshipped the dragon (satan) which gave power unto the beast: (Islamic kingdom). And they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?  Revelation 13: 3-4
We know from scripture that the dragon is satan, from which the beast (kingdom) gets his power. Revelation 20:2

We read daily that all across Islamic or muslim countries how Christians are severely persecuted, tortured, imprisoned and beheaded for denouncing Islam and its prophet and converting to Christianity.  And even in Europe and America,  Christians are being discriminated against more and more.  Non muslim people in predominantly muslim countries in  the Middle East and Asia  are not free to buy or sell without proclaiming to be muslim because they cannot get employment due to the fact  they are persecuted and discriminated against, live underground or on the run. In fact, in Egypt, beginning in 1990, all citizens are required to carry a national ID card identifying oneself as Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc. This is true not only in Egypt, but also Iran and other muslim countries.

 As I was reading an article from WND, Iran Preparing Now For Armageddon, my attention was focused upon a statement where in a book "A Time To Betray," it is documented when Khomeini announced the campaign, he said,
“If the person at any stage or at any time maintains his (or her) support for the opposing groups, the sentence is execution. "Annihilate the enemies of Islam immediately."
The list of actions by Khamenei includes investigation of private business owners.

If records show that at any time in the past they have not supported the Islamic regime, their businesses and belongings could be confiscated.  Please refer to the WND link to read the article. Here we have again where an Islamic religious  regime tyrant is calling for the annihilation of the enemies of Islam and or the confiscation of the belongings of private business owners if the Islamic regime is not supported.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast (kingdom),or the number of his name

Today, in Egypt, a Middle East journalist has reported that Christian minors are being kidnapped by Islamics and the court ordered  the minor to be held in a state run home to be indoctrinated back into Islam until the minor reaches age 18.

From Behold The Beast, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist, now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah”. (Some spell Bismilla) which means “in the name of Allah.” )Though it looks more like the character for “Allah”)

I put up “Mark Of The Beast Interpreted By Walid Shoebat Video” in February 2009.   For the purposes of this writing, I am including it below and I urge all to watch this seven minute interpretation.

Here is another excellent illustration that demonstrates the mark of the beast!

Islam denies that Jesus, the Son of God shed his blood, was crucified for the sins of humanity and was resurrected on the third day by God the Father.  Further, the writings of   Islam denies that God has a Son.
Sura 19:88-89 "The say (Allah) Most gracious has begotton a son!" "Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
Surah 4.157- That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.: but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
Jesus  said “For this is my blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sins Matthew 26:28. And,  almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Hebrews 9:22
And lo a voice from heaven saying, “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:17, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, 2 Peter 1:17.
 In the Revelation of John, Revelation 14:1, John writes: “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand having his Father’s name written in their foreheads”.
And, in Revelation 22:3-4 “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.”

 Knowing that the Lord Jesus Christ has all of his people sealed with the Holy Spirit,  and marked with Christ‘s name written on their foreheads, which is a "spiritual mark",   that is, he knows who belongs to Him and who doesn’t, it is very reasonable to say that those who worship the beast are also marked and follow the religion of the founder of Islam, and their foreheads are marked with the name of Allah, a "spiritual mark",   which is not the name of or same as the Christian God.

 The name of the Christian God in the Hebrew Scriptures is  from Exodus 3:14 I AM, and YHVH - the special name of God was combined with "The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."  See Exodus 3:15-16.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Revelation 13:6.

The muslim Dome of the Rock was built in 688 AD, (AD means the number of years since the time of Christ) 300 feet from the actual  Temple Mount site in Jerusalem, Israel  where King Solomon's Temple to God was built. It was built over a solid rock formation named "as-Sakhra".  According to muslim tradition, this is the rock that supposedly Muhammad ascended into heaven, and sets in the center of the Court of the Gentiles.  Ezekiel 42:20.   Contrary to what Christians have been taught to believe, the  Dome of the Rock is the Abomination of Desolation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15.  See also Daniel 12:11, Revelation 11:2.

"Then Solomon built the house of the Lord at Jerusalem in Mount Moriah. It was on the threshing-floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the place provided by David, his father."- 2 Chronicles 3:1

Solomon's Temple to God on Mount Moriah was built over three thousand years ago in 966 BC,( or the number of years Before Christ)  long before Islam was founded by its prophet Muhammad.  During the centuries the muslims controlled 'Palestine', two muslim mosques were built on the Jewish Temple site to prevent the Jews from rebuilding a Temple to God.  Doing so would cause an international jihad by muslims against Israel.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred and threescore and six
Another very significant  aspect to consider is the word “number” in the passage of Revelation 13:18.
 In the Greek, from Thayers Greek Lexicon the word number is defined as a “multitude” or indefinite number. Insert the word “multitude” where the word number is and you have the multitude or indefinite number of the (followers of ) Allah. This could, perhaps,  also be any false god as in any false religion that has compromised the Gospel of Christ that is taking place in the ecumenical movement today that combines Christianity with Islam.

 As I pointed out earlier, in Middle East and Asian muslim countries, you cannot buy or sell except for the mark of Islam. Sharia law is rapidly being pushed through  in many countries around  the world.  Libya and Egypt being the most recent.   How long before it will come to America is anyone’s guess with the corrupt lawmakers running the American government. If you want to buy, or sell, you will have to prove who you belong to, Christ or Allah. You will have to prove you are a muslim first, and if not convert.

Who do you belong to?  Christians all over America and in western countries  must boldly proclaim the Gospel of Christ, while there is still time because from all appearances, time is swiftly running out. We must reach as many people as we possibly can.  Pray for the good people and our brothers and sisters in the Middle East caught up in the torture and persecution in muslim countries. And pray that muslims all over the Middle East will continue to embrace the Son of God, Jesus Christ. 

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  1. Anonymous12:07 PM

    Satan's little helpers are going to be very busy building new temples apparently. Here is a story, I don't know what to make of it, but in the UK, someone is planning and is funded to build a series of tall towering all black "temples" to atheism, beginning with the first in downtown London. This is like placing a tall black Tower of Babel all over the countryside to tower and dominate over everything else and may also be a sign of anti-Christ rising - when they start actually building things like this - and people agree with it in concept, that it's a "good" thing to be doing.

    These could begin showing up in addition to towering mosques, standing side by side, in all black, an homage to satan.

  2. Anonymous10:16 AM

    I suspect that the 'abomination that causes desolation (Dan. 12 v 11) is already set up (or standing in the Holy Place as Jesus said, Matt 24 v 15). It is the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount completed around 704-5AD.

    I am led to believe that the third temple does not have to be built for the Abomination of Desolation to stand in the Holy Place. The Holy Place was always there from the time of the 1st temple untill now regardless of whether it had walls and a roof or not. Now, set up or standing in the Holy Place is the Al-aqsa Mosque, the most sacred place to Muslims outside of Mecca.

    Heres something interesting (I'm not sure if it has been interpreted this way before). Looking at Dan 12 v 11, take the destruction of the first Temple and the abolishment of the daily sacrifice as 585-86 BC and add on the 1290 days (of years)(Dan.12 v 11). It provides the year of 704-5 AD. 705 AD according to history was when the Al-Aqsa Mosque was built and completed by al-Walid a muslim ruler and conqueror of a large part of the Middle East during that time.

    Another thing. Take the 1335 days (as weeks of years) (Dan 12 v 12), and add it to 705 AD. It gives the year 2039 AD. I'm asking if this is the year of Jesus return? (or the beginning of the end for unbelievers)

    Now the 'end times' are spoken of in the bible as a very cataclysmic time. It describes a time when things that look like "hail and fire', mountains all ablaze falling...', 'a great star blazing like a torch, etc. (Rev. 8 v 7-10)will be falling on the earth.
    It is interesting to note that an asteroid (1999 AN10) will pass closely to earth in the year 2027 and the same one again in 2039 AD.

    Scientists say that they plan to defend the earth by sending nuclear devices out to meet and deflect asteroids away. However, what if they deflect it directly into the path of the earths orbit?

    From this scenerio I can see how the prophecies in Revelations could happen: Eg., Asteroid 1999 AN10 on its close passing to earth is pulled off its normal path by a solar wind (or something else). In the year 2027 - 2039 scientists have the capability to launch a nuclear device to deflect the approaching asteroid. The nuclear device explodes near the asteroid and shatters it into millions of parts, but, there is still a large chunk of it that hasn't shattered. Now the asteroid and its million parts are heading toward earth (hail, fire, huge mountain all ablaze). Scientists fire a second nuclear missile at the left over chunk to shatter it. It misses and falls back to earth (great star blazing like a torch falling from the sky)(wormwod, bitter waters).

    Anyhow I know very little and will continue to listen to other peoples opinions.

    In Christ

  3. Shalom Toni,

    Over the years I've seen several different interpretations of the text under consideration in this post. I'm sure we all agree that the 'mind that has wisdom and understanding' will be given the correct interpretation.

    The problem is that so many claim to have that wisdom and understanding. So much so that if the Truth is shown, the danger of so many is to throw it out as error because so many have claimed to have the right understanding before.

    To the wise in heart the thought may be to prove all things and hold to that which is good. I do believe that in the near future all will know without a doubt who the man of sin is.

    Thanks for your post and for bringing to the forefront such an important subject.

    Shalom In Yahshua.

  4. Blessings Daniel:

    I agree with you about the AOD being already set up, (and I am now beginning to think that the False Prophet spoken of in Revelation 16:13, 20:10, 19:20 is non other than Islam's false prophet Mohammed that has deceived billions of people,) it is either the Muslim Mosque or the Dome of the Rock that sets upon the site of the Temple Mount.

    Those are some very fascinating mathematical equations you have presented. I think you are on to something.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    Jan. 31, 2012

  5. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Yuri.

    Jan. 31, 2012

  6. Yuri,

    I think Jesus gave us the key in Matthew 24:15.. When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL the prophet…

    UNDERSTAND… Take note of the word UNDERSTAND in Daniel…

    Vs. 16 Then let them be in Judea flee into the mountains

    Vs. 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house

    21....FOR then shall be Great Tribulation....Such as was not since the beginning of the
    World to this time, no, nor ever shall be......
    22...And except those days should be shortened, there should NO flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

    When we see the Abomination of Desolation Spoken by Daniel the prophet stand in the Holy Place....( whoso readeth let him understand)
    This is our sign to watch for......let him understand...spiritual understanding.

    Daniel 8:16...And I heard a man's voice between the Baniks of Ulai, which called, and said...GABRIEL, Make This Man to understand the Vision....17..So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto Me...UNDERSTAND, O Son of man: FOR AT THE TIME OF THE END SHALL BE THE VISION

    Notice God spoke that Daniel understand the Vision and it applies to the end times. And then Jesus says in Matt. 24 that we understand......what was spoken by Daniel the Prophet.

    It is God‘s will that we understand...And Jesus said it would be a time like was not since the world begin....

    We are living in that time now and now is the time to understand. In my understanding, the AOD, or the Dome of the Rock and the Muslim Mosque standing in the Holy Place is what Daniel was talking about…

    Feb. 1, 2012

  7. Shalom Toni,

    I have a question; is the beast of Rev.13:2 the same as the 'little horn' of Dan.7:8; & Dan.8:9?

    Shalom In Yahshua.

  8. Hi Yuri:

    To answer your question, no, I do not at present think the beast of Revelation 13:2 is the same as the little horn in Daniel 7:8, and Daniel 8:9.

    I think many of us have been deceived by John Darby theories that “the “antichrist is the beast of Revelation 13. First, no where does the Bible refer to “the” antichrist.
    The verses before Daniel 7:17, i.e., Daniel 7: 3-7 describe the beasts that are kingdoms, and continue two verses later in Daniel 7:19. Then in Daniel 7:23, Daniel tells us the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom.

    It’s no wonder people get confused because of the different Bible translations. That’s why I always look at a reliable Hebrew-Greek concordance. Kings and kingdoms are interchangeable, and in Daniels vision, it can be concluded are beasts, or kingdoms.

    Back to the little horn of Daniel 7:8, Daniel writes in Daniel 7:11, “I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake, I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame."

    Clearly, from the horn verse in Daniel 7:11, the beast and the horn are not the same.

    I am of the opinion that the horn is (1) the false prophet, that gave power to the beast. Revelation 16:13, all of whom get tossed into the lake of fire, Revelation 20:10. (2) Another thought is that the little horn may be a military man from one of the beasts who ruled over and conquered Israel; Daniel 8:9 seems to also suggest this, with the “pleasant land” being the land of Israel in Daniel’s vision.

    Blessings my friend,
    Feb. 1, 2012

  9. Shalom Toni- and thanks for your response. Ok you said that " where does the Bible refer to "the antichrist'. Yet you would admit to the Bible speaking of an "antichrist"

    I agree with you in regards to the 4 Beasts of Dan. 7 (for they are the same as the four kingdoms depicted in Dan.2 Namely, Babylon, Medeo-Persia, Greece and Pagan Rome.

    I'm pleased that we can agree on this point. I think it is so important for YHWH'S people to be in agreement on truth.

    Shalom In Yahshua.

  10. Hi Yuri,

    First I will say that is was John Darby who suggested the idea of “the” (singular form or one antichrist in January 1849. But the Bible does not say this. See his last paragraph here:

    OK, let me clear up the confusion on “antichrist”, the way I see it. I have been doing some study on the subject, and I may write my thoughts in a separate entry. But for now, suffice to say, I do admit that the Bible speaks of “an” antichrist, but not “the” antichrist.
    Let’s look at this further:

    The Bible does, however, speak of “antichrist” only four times. You can do a search in the KJV Blue Letter Bible and verify this yourself. Here is what the Bible says about “antichrist”

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall, even now are there many antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last time.

    1 John 2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist , where of ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    In 2 John 1:7, John calls deceivers "an" antichrist and he is saying there are many, not “the” as in singular as in one antichrist.

    It is clear to me that antichrist is a spirit, as written in 1 John 4:3, that lives within the hearts of people who deny the Son of God, Jesus Christ, or denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Whoever denies the Son, doesn’t have the Father. I am not including the Jewish people within this group as explained in Romans Chapter 11.

    There is no prominent group of people on earth that deny the Son of God and that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh than muslims.

    The God of the Jews and the Christians is I AM which means YAHWEH. The God of Islam is Allah, a pagan pre-Islamic god that Mohammed hooked up with. Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet and a messenger of God, but not the Son of God.

    Therefore, muslims are antichrist by scriptural definition. 1 John 2:22 and have the spirit of antichrist in their hearts.

    Sura 19:88 They say; (“Allah) Most gracious has begotten a son”. Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous.

    Islam is antichrist. Islam’s most fundamental teaching is that God has no Son.

    Feb. 2, 2012

  11. Anonymous11:10 PM

    Hi Tony,
    I have begun to subscribe to your post because I'm so glad that there other christians out there who think similarly to myself ie., that Islam is the antichrist or at least a part of the antichrist ethos. John said "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ". 1 Jn 2 v 22. We know that muslims, among other religeons, deny Jesus is the Christ. Islam is a particularly strong candidate because of its intention to force its belief, through violence, on others.

    I understand your point to Yuri that Jesus said in Matt 24 v 16-22, "Let those in Judea flee to the mountains...........", however, since the inception of Islam by Mohammad and the building of the mosque on the Temple Mount wars have ensued and the Judean area has not been safe for anyone who is not a muslim. People have fled to the mountains, its not safe for a woman to have a baby (a bomb might drop through the roof at any time), there has been great distress. Jesus said that those days would be dreadful. He didn't say how long the days would be. So they could be 1 year, 2 years or 300 years (not a very long time in relation to human history) from circa 700 AD to 2027 - 39 AD.

    Anyway, I'm not here to tell anyone that the're wrong and I'm right. I've just asked the Lord to show me the truth. And what I have been shown or led to believe may or may not have come from Jesus. I value other christians opinions and the HOly Spirit will lead us into all truth.

    What, I believe, to be more important than prophecy is people and their need to know the true God through the Lord Jesus Christ. I have been praying (in the Spirit)for some time now for muslim people to be converted to christianity. A few years back the Holy Spirit urged me to do this. I'm sure He has urged other christians around the world to do the same.

    Christians have the true God and have the power of prayer to "...ask what we will and he will do it" Jn 15 v 7, and, "...according to his will" Jn 5 v 14-15.

    I hope , that in these last days we christians will exercise our power in Christ and be a part of something great. Lets not be christians who "..have a form of Godliness but deny the power.." 2 Tim 3 v 5.

    Love Joy Peace longsuffering gentleness meekness...

    In Christ.
    Daniel M

  12. Shalom Toni- and thanks for answering my questions.

  13. Hello Toni,

    I did watch this video re Walid Shoebat a few days ago. Very,very interesting and deserves consideration. I shall watch it again tommorrow. Some of his testimony would appear to be questionable but that doesn't mean to say that everything is. I had learned a few years ago that the '666' was apparently translated '616' in very early translations. This I couldn't understand. I think that the western mindset has become so indoctrinated by '666' and the 'mark' being a physical chip or laser tatoo of a type (barcode?) that maybe people have overlooked the true spiritual mark. As regards the mark in the right hand (Revelation 13.16) the late Barry Smith once offered his left in Disneyland and it was refused! I wonder if they had that system in place when Dave MacPherson went there!?
    When viewed in the antithesis (as ever Scripture interprets Scripture) the mark in the foreheads of God's people in Revelation 14 and Ezekiel 9 are 'spiritual' and not a physical man made mark so maybe we have been deceived by buying into this 'taking the mark'. There are many 'Antichrist spotters' out there that are 'naming and claiming' the latest credible candidate by trying to fit the numeric value of 666 into his name and other such things.
    Barry Smith was one evangelist whom I believe thought Henry Kissinger (I believe his name came to the value of 666)was the man. There are indeed many Antichrist's out there, I didn't know that it was J.N.Darby that first introduced the concept of a singular Antichrist. But I understood that the concept of an unholy trinity counterfeiting the Father,Son and the Holy Ghost made sense, which would seem to imply there must be a literal singular Antichrist? (A.W.Pink and others). I haven't checked the links yet but am going to look into this. Mr Darby would appear to have caused much trouble!
    As regards the temple, I remember stumbling into the temple institute in Jerusalem in 2007 and looking at the plans for a third temple. They take this stuff seriously,apparently they have all the temple instruments and furniture etc in waiting and have even so I understand 'perfected' a red heifer! I find it hard to reconcile Matthew 24.15 and 2 Thessalonians 2.4 describing an Islamic building that Jewish people will worship in?
    Oh! I am but a simple soul!
    I know that in the coming Messianic age the Lord Jesus Christ will build the Messianic temple; Zechariah 6.13-14. As if He would sit in a building made by unbelieving Jews!?

  14. Anonymous9:50 PM

    Hi Guys,

    The Jews may want a Third temple but will it be given.
    As I understand the third temple will be in the new Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from God. And, the Temple will actually be The Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Rev 21 v 22).
    Or is this the fourth temple??

    In Christ,
    Daniel M

  15. Hello Daniel:

    I appreciate your interest and thank you for your comments.

    What many people do not understand, myself included, until the Lord oened my eyes, is that while some of the written Word is to be taken literally, every vision in the Bible is figurative. These include Ezekiel's and Isaiah's vision, Daniel's and Zechariah's visions. Peter, too, saw a vision of unclean animals. So it now stands to reason that most of Revelation is also figurative. Without knowing what the terms, such as "beast" in Daniel's and John's visions are, which is a figurative name for empires or kingdoms, how can one possibly know how to interpret these prophetic books?

    During and after the Protestant Reformation (16th century), Protestant Christians held
    to what is called “historicism,” a view of prophecy that considers the events of
    Revelation as occurring all throughout the Church's history. This was supported by
    employing the “year-day theory” — that the 1260, 1290, & 1335 days mentioned in Daniel and Revelation should be interpreted as years.

    The year-day-theory is nothing new; (Ezekiel 4:5-6) what is new is "the churches'" way of interpreting bible prophecy and times. Since the last 100-200 years or so, all bible prophecy has been interpreted to be in the future,( futurism)

    Here is what the great Christian man Isaac Newton said about Daniel's time of the end:

    "This Prophecy is called the Revelation, with respect to the scripture of truth, which Daniel was commanded to shut up and seal, till the time of the end. Daniel sealed it until the time of the end; {Daniel 12:4, 9} and until that time comes, the Lamb is opening the seals:....
    All which is as much as to say, that these Prophecies of Daniel and John should not be understood till the time of the end: .... But in the very end, the Prophecy should be so far interpreted as to convince many."
    (Part II. Observations Upon the Apocalypse of St. John. Chap 1)
    Where does your eschatological doctrine date from?

    Take John's vision in Revelation 13:1-5..the last sentence says "Who is like unto the beast. who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power (over Jerusalem) was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

    Forty and two months, using the day-year-theory from Ezekiel 4:5-5, X 30.44 (average # of days in a month)(based upon the average # of days in a solar year is 365.24) (and dividing this number by 12)

    Mathematical confirmation shows us that the day-year-theory is precise and accurate: Here is how you can prove it.Construction of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem began in 688 AD. Jerusalem was freed of Islamic (muslim) control in 1967 AD.

    1967AD - 1278.48 years = 688 AD. The year the Dome of the Rock was built on the Temple Mount site, making it the AOD as prophesied by Daniel the prophet and John in Revelation 13:1-5.

    As you say, likewise, I am not here to say who is right and who is wrong, but I also believe that the evidence for Islam as antichrist and that the Dome of the Rock is the AOD spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 12:11 and Jesus in Matthew 24:15 is too overwhelming for anyone not to at least make an honest effort to look at the facts.

    I too pray for muslim people all the time asking God to send them dreams and visions of His Son, Yeshua. This is happening all over the Middle East today, for which we can be thankful because billions of muslims are living in bondage and caught in a satanic lie.

    Thank you again for your interest and comments. I look forward to hearing from you again.

    Blessings to you,
    Feb. 4, 2012

  16. Here is an ex-muslim's site that speaks of this very topic with more mathematical perfection of bible prophecy taken from ellis skolfield's excellent writings:

  17. Anonymous9:51 AM

    Hi Toni,
    Thanks for your comments and for your website. I hope you continue with your service for the Lord.

    I hope and pray that God will by His Spirit 'lead us into all truth'.

    I believe that the calculations you mentioned about the 42 months are true. You are probably aware also of the other 42 month interpretation by some bible schoolars. These are of interest also, and, while it appears that it's a contest between two opposing views or interpretations I suspect that it does not have to be. Our God is much greater and more complex than we could ever imagine. And for Him to design, create and operate as He wills a multifaceted, multidimensional system is of no surprise to me.

    What I am trying to say is that 'truths' revealed by God (revelations)to His people although appearing contradictory at first turn out to have real connection in the end. For this reason I have determined myself to keep an open mind to my fellow christians prophecy interpretations.

    My small contribution about the 1290 and 1335 days is I know different from some much more complex calculations than mine. This idea came to me after I had seen, heard and explored many other interpretations of bible prophecy which confused me and led me to ask God for a revelation.

    My revelation, of course, may not be true. In which case if it is not I will be whimpering back to my little hole and shutting up for a very long time. However, I am not afraid to be told I am wrong and would love my fellow christians to critique my proposal.

    In support of my claim I would like to draw your attention to the Temple Mount and exact spot on which the original Solomon's Temple sat. As you know most people believe that the exact spot of this Temple is where the muslim structure the Dome of the Rock now sits. What you may not know is that this has been and remains a contentious issue among many bible schoolars. In fact there are about 6 different views on the location of the original Solomon's Temple.

    I will not even attempt to explain them here because they are rather long and very complex. Instead I will refer you to one book that gives exceptional evidence for the true location of the 1st Temple. The books name is "Locating Solomon's Temple" by Norma Robertson. You can download this book for free,

    The book explains with convincing evidence that the true location of Solomon's Temple was not situated where the Dome of the Rock now stands and never could. In fact,the only place it could have stood was on the southern part of the Temple Mount beneath where the Al-Aqsa Mosque now stands. If this is true then this is where the AOD is standing in the Holy Place.

    Any comments please.

    In Christ
    Daniel M

  18. Blessings to you, Daniel:

    I certainly appreciate your contributions to this topic as I have been praying to the Lord to show me the truth and wisdom, and right now, this is where I have been lead; thus my reasoning for putting it out there for others to consider on this topic. Further, I also understand that at some time, I may be given a new understanding or one that adds on to what I have already been shown by the Lord, so indeed, my mind is open to learning more.

    With that said, regarding Solomon’s Temple, I am aware that there is a dispute among people serching for truth and disagreements upon the actual location of Solomon’s original Temple. I looked over Norma Robertson’s findings and I do agree with her when she says “My location for the Temple is the only one that shows the Wailing Wall as an actual wall of Herods 600 x 600 Temple.”. In other words, the so called Jewish Wailing Wall is actually a part of Herod’s Temple, and not Solomon’s original Temple. I need to review her study more thoroughly to understand the jest of what she is saying.

    Ellis Skolfield’s research findings report that the Temple was built 300 feet from the actual Temple Mount site.

    I would conclude that both of these muslim monuments are abominations that make the Temple Mount the abomination that causes desolation because either way you figure using the biblical day=year method, (and this is mentioned more than once in the OT), the mathematical perfection is precise for the year the Mosque was built and the year the Dome of the Rock was built.

    Using the biblical day=year method, we can now conclude from Revelation 11:2 that Jerusalem was under the control of Gentiles for 42 months until the June 1967 Six Day War when the Jews took back the Holy City spoken of in Revelation 11:2. 42 months X 30.44 days =1278.5 days (as years); subtract this from 1967 we arrive at 688.5, the year the Dome of the Rock was founded. Solomon’s Temple was built over the threshing floor or Ornan of Jebusite, 2: Chronicles 3:1, and on the bedrock of the Arc of the Covenant, or Holy of Holies. The rock of the Dome of the Rock (see picture at

    could not have been a threshing floor because if you know anything about farming, both threshing and obtaining of the grain would not have been possible on this rock, especially when there was a more suitable smooth flat rock only 300 feet away.

    Today, on the site of the Temple Mount, there is a small gazebo that is named the Dome of the Tablets, or Dome of the Spirits that covers the threshing floor that is smooth and flat, which, according to Ellis Skolfield, is the floor of Solomon’s or the Old Temple site, which is 300 feet away from the Rock of the Dome of the Rock. See picture here


  19. (continued from previous comment)

    While I would agree that many revelations that God may have shown some scholars, it is also important to remember that if it cannot be confirmed through God’s Word, we must be cautious to adapt to it until and unless it can be backed up by God’s Word. God will not contradict His own written Word.

    Regarding the biblical day=year method, this is put forth in the Bible more than once, which confirms for me that this method is the correct method. Ezekiel 4:5, Ezekiel 4:6,
    Numbers 14:34. There are also other scriptures that allude to the day=year method. This method was always used by great Bible commentaries, such as Isaac Newton and Matthew Henry, of the past to calculate dates and times. It wasn’t until your modern day gnostics and pre trib rapture, dispensationalists came along, that this method was changed and replaced with the “futurist” idea; i.e., that much of The Revelation was still far off in the future, leaving multitudes waiting for a chip to arrive on the scene, or a literal mark to be stamped on their foreheads and right hand, or “the” antichrist to be seated in a rebuilt temple of God, when the Bible doesn’t say that at all.

    What the Bible does say is that all believers are now God’s temple. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 2 Corinthians 6:16. When Jesus died on the cross, the curtain in Solomon’s Temple was torn in half, from top to bottom Only God Himself could have torn the veil because of its height. The torn veil illustrates Jesus’ broken body for us opening the way for everyone to come to God, and an earthly temple was no longer needed. When Jesus called out “it is finished” on the cross, Jesus was proclaiming that God’s redemptive plan for the human race was complete, the age of animal sacrifices was now over as was the earthly temple in Jerusalem. See Hebrews 10:19-22

    Feb. 6, 2012

  20. Hello, Daniel:

    I just discovered that the link for the "rock" on the Dome of the Rock is faulty, so here is another link (hopefully, it works) that shows the picture. If the link does not work, just google rock on the Dome of the Rock and a picture should come up.

  21. Hello Colin:

    According to Acts 17:24, the Lord God who made heaven and earth will never dwell in any temple made with human hands.

    Blessings to you,
    Feb. 7, 2012

  22. Hello Toni,
    I have re-read the above again,and things are beginning to appear much clearer. As you have previously said it would appear that the 'hyper dispensationalists' have caused much damage to our understanding of the 'prophetic Word'. Obviously there are still dispensations,i.e; pre-flood,post-flood,Mosaic,Christian etc.
    I had always believed 2 Thess 2.4 was yet future. In the 'Scriptures' they have this scripture as having been fulfilled.
    I have briefly read Matthew Henry's notes on Daniel 9.27. So is it being suggested that the first half of the last week (7yrs) has passed and ony the last 3 1/2 years are not yet fulfilled? I understand that Henry seems to say that the 'covenant' was made by Christ not Antichrist as the futurists say. The seven year 'peace treaty' then is not coming?
    I am thinking aloud at the moment and will pray about and study this matter much in the days ahead.
    So the existing temple at Jerusalem was the one Paul was talking about in 2 thess 2.4 not some future one!?
    So there may be no man-made temple erected? And people waiting for Antichrist to occupy this building are going to be deceived?
    There is so much evidence from Scripture when reading the prophecies in Daniel, 2 Thessalonians and Matthew 24.15 that would seem to suggest that the Dome on the Rock is the AOD.

  23. Hello, Colin:

    The pre-trib rapture futurists/ dispensationalists indeed have really messed up the teaching on Daniel 9:27, as with the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture. All of these teachers took this one verse out of context, overlooking Daniel 9:24-26, which tells us who the “he” is in Daniel 9:27. Is it any wonder why Christians are so confused today? They took the broad road, and called the Messiah, Jesus, and taught that the “he” in Daniel 9:27 was “the” antichrist, and changed the entire meaning of the great vision of Daniel. Of course the “he” is none other than our Messiah Jesus.

    It’s really difficult for me to understand how these teachers could mess up a vision that is very self explanatory in the Bible because the Bible interprets itself somewhere else in scripture, except for the fact that these false teachers made millions of dollars selling their false teachings. The problem with these false teachers is they have built all of their teachings around the false pre-trib rapture doctrine to make it fit in, and in the process, corrupted the meanings of the written Word.

    This prophecy is a vision of the Messiah who was to come, Jesus, and has been fulfilled.

    Matthew Henry’s commentary:

    Daniel 9:20-27 An answer was immediately sent to Daniel's prayer, and it is a very memorable one. We cannot now expect that God should send answers to our prayers by angels, but if we pray with fervency for that which God has promised, we may by faith take the promise as an immediate answer to the prayer; for He is faithful that has promised. Daniel had a far greater and more glorious redemption discovered to him, which God would work out for his church in the latter days. Those who would be acquainted with Christ and his grace, must be much in prayer. The evening offering was a type of the great sacrifice Christ was to offer in the evening of the world: in virtue of that sacrifice Daniel's prayer was accepted; and for the sake of that, this glorious discovery of redeeming love was made to him. We have, in verses 24-27, one of the most remarkable prophecies of Christ, of his coming and his salvation. It shows that the Jews are guilty of most obstinate unbelief, in expecting another Messiah, so long after the time expressly fixed for his coming. The seventy weeks mean a day for a year, or 490 years. About the end of this period a sacrifice would be offered, making full atonement for sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness for the complete justification of every believer. Then the Jews, in the crucifixion of Jesus, would commit that crime by which the measure of their guilt would be filled up, and troubles would come upon their nation. All blessings bestowed on sinful man come through Christ's atoning sacrifice, who suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God. Here is our way of access to the throne of grace, and of our entrance to heaven. This seals the sum of prophecy, and confirms the covenant with many; and while we rejoice in the blessings of salvation, we should remember what they cost the Redeemer. How can those escape who neglect so great salvation!

    Here is an excellent detailed explanation of the verses from Daniel 9:24-27 which will help immensely in understanding what is called “Daniel’s 70th Week.

    Regarding your other questions, I will write more in another comment.

    Feb. 8, 2012

  24. Hello Colin:

    With reference to your question pertaining to 2 Thessalonians 2:4, we must first look at the preceding verse, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ,which speaks of a falling away first, (apostasy) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    Here, again, many Bible teachers promote the idea that that “man of sin” is “the” antichrist, as in singular or one man to explain this verse. But the Apostle Paul does not call that “man of sin” “the” antichrist. Then the Apostle Paul then goes on to suggest that that “man of sin” can be compared to the “son of perdition”

    The word “son” in the above passage translated from the Greek can be figurative and not literal.

    Apparently a primary word; a “son” (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figurative kinship: - child, foal, son.

    From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

    From the Greek interpretation, we can conclude that “man of sin” and “son of “perdition” have a broader meaning.

    Matthew and Mark send us to
    “Daniel the prophet” - not Paul -
    for help in understanding the
    abomination of desolation that is
    “set up”. We learn from Matthew
    and Mark that we should expect it
    to "stand in the holy place" not
    "sitteth". In Luke 21:20 we find it is
    Jerusalem that is desolated.

    And where is “the temple of God located since New Testament times?”

    Ellis Skolfield explains 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 this way:

    Feb. 8, 2012

  25. Hello Colin:

    You ask:

    So there may be no man-made temple erected?

    Precisely. No man made temple will be erected if I am intepreting the scripture correctly.

    And people waiting for Antichrist to occupy this building are going to be deceived?

    Yes, because they are following false man made doctrines and not the Word of God.

    Feb. 8, 2012

  26. Hi Colin:

    You said:

    There is so much evidence from Scripture when reading the prophecies in Daniel, 2 Thessalonians and Matthew 24.15 that would seem to suggest that the Dome on the Rock is the AOD

    Absolutely! Looking at past Biblical history, the Scriptures intepret themselves. Amen!

    Feb. 8, 2012

  27. Anonymous5:39 AM

    Hi Tony,
    I agree. No matter which way one looks at it an AOD is standing in the Holy Place. God says in Ezekiel 43 v 12 ".....All the surrounding area on top of the mountain will be most holy. Such is the law of the temple". So whether the AOD is in one place or the other, if its anywhere on the Temple Mount it's "standing in the holy place" as Jesus said.

    I also agree that we (born again) christians are the Temple of God and it is in us that God dwells. This is the mystery that the prophets of old did not understand yet longed to see. As Temples we christians will never be defiled because the blood of Jesus has washed all of our sins away. And there will never be an AOD standing in this temple.

    It is indeed good that true christians can discuss the Word of God and share their thoughts with each other. Of course all must be in line with the Word of God.

    My greatest prayer is that all true christians be filled with the Holy Spirit of God and that the power of God is made manifest in His church today. I fear that our church is a lukewarm one and needs to "...council of Jesus to buy fine gold from Him..." Rev 3 v 18.

    Thank you once again for your w/site I believe that God will use it for His purpose in the coming years as a blessing to His people, as a beacon to the world and perhaps as a warning to to the unsaved. I look forward to learning much more.

    Watching and praying.
    In Christ,
    Daniel M

  28. Anonymous8:24 PM

    And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    Revelation 21:22

    Talk of building a 3rd temple in Jerusalem where the Dome of the Rock now stands is madness

    Tom J.

  29. Hello Toni,

    'What is known,' observes Mr Bonar, 'by the name of the year-day theory (a sort of contradiction in terms to begin with) is based chiefly on a perversion of two passages in Scripture, (Numbers 14.34, and Ezekiel 4.6) 'I have given thee each day for a year'. Had this meant,as alleged,that henceforth in all prophecy a day was to be taken for a year, what becomes of that most interesting one among all others, uttered by our Lord Himself, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up' (John 2.19), it being immediately added, 'nevertheless He spake of the temple of His body,' which surely no one will say was not raised on the third 'day,' when 'they came early in the morning and found the stone rolled away,' and the 'two men in shining garments' declaring He was 'risen as He said'?
    'But the attempt itself, such as it is, is in fact a wholesome lesson to us all of what men will attempt to carry out a fancy or pre-conceived notion , and what barriers they will scale in order to arrive at their object. If fairly taken, the passages on which they found their theory of this 'year-day' system prove just the reverse; and show that a year means literally a year, as a day means literally a day. For in the first place, Ezekiel did not lie forty years on his side, but forty days to TYPIFY years, the terms relatively remaining precisely the same as they had been before; although the one was said with perfect propriety to be 'given' for the other; and in the case of the spies, forty literal years of banishment followed the forty literal days of search, to mark God's displeasure at His gracious care having been slighted and the report of the land disbelieved.
    The 'year-day' system, false in its origin, has led into endless confusion, and will do so as long as people will suffer themselves to be misled by it' (Andrew Bonar's 'Development of Antichrist').

    But is there any reason to say that in symbolic visions a day means a year, and a year, 360 years? The evidence for so important an assertion should be very clear and demonstrative. Let us examine then the first place in Daniel's prophecy where the word translated 'times' occurs. It is found in the sentence pronounced on Nebuchadnezzar. 'Let his heart be chaged from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him' (Daniel4.16). 'Time' in the Hebrew is a word that denotes the period between one Jewish feast and another, as from Passover to Passover, or Pentecost to Pentecost. It consequently is equivalent to an exact Hebrew year of 360 days: Therefore 'seven times,' the period of Nebuchadnezzar's punishment, is precisely seven years. This is admitted I believe by all. None, as far as I know, dispute it. None, in this case venture to apply their extraordinary canon of days for years; for if they did, the seven years of Nebuchadnezzar's punishment would be extended into 2520 years, which would not have yet run out, so that we ought still to behold the spectacle of Nebuchadnezzar cast out,and eating grass as oxen.

    I would welcome your comments and observations on the above.

    God bless


  30. Hello again Toni,
    I had to heavily edit my previous posting. I am not a prolific blogger!
    Those writings I took from pages 33-35 of B.W.Newton's book; 'THE 1260 DAYS OF ANTICHRIST'S REIGN FUTURE'.
    It would be good if you could read the whole book to get the proper context (only 68 pages) I am not sure if it is available on line.

    B.W.Newton (a Hebrew/Greek scholar) started the Brethren movement in Plymouth,England. He persuaded J.N.Darby to join him, but subsequently they parted their ways over the 'secret rapture' teaching.

    God bless


  31. Hello, Colin:

    Thank you for your comments. Here is an excellent article by Pastor Tim Warner, who lives here in the United States of America, in Florida. He has covered every aspect of the pre-trib rapture theory in "The Orgins Of The Pre-Trib Rapture. I think you will appreciate his indepth investigation.

  32. Hello, Colin:

    Irrespective of what this Bonar fella writes, all one has to do is the math to see that mathematical precision of bible prophecy is 100% accurate.

    I calculated it myself with Daniel's prophecies, and it is 100% accurate using the day =year formula. I really do not like the word "theory", because God does not make mistakes.

    The Lord's Apostle Peter also wrote in 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    I suppose that many people, including Bonar, did not understand the mathematical precision of Bible prophecy in Daniel's prophetic book because the book of Danial was shut up, closed until the time of the end, which is now and this is the reason we can understand it.

    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
    Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    I invite you to review this short article on the Mathematical Precision of Prophecy here:

    Blessings to you, Colin
    March 7, 2012

  33. Hello Colin:

    With reference to the sentence placed upon Nebuchadnezzar and the use of the word 'time', it does not appear to me to have the same connotation, or set of attributes to constitute the meaning of the word as applied as in Daniel's other prophecies. Nevertheless, e-Sword's Hebrew-Greek Concordance interprets 'time' for Daniel 4:16 to be:

    (Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year: - time.

    "A set time" and "technically a year". So we have two definitions for "time" in this passage.

    The same applies to Jesus'words "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up'" (John 2.19),


  34. Hi Colin:

    Here is another link that will help clarify the "time" and "times" problem better than I could.


  35. Hello again Toni,

    Thanks for that. I have read the above link and it would appear to 'fit like a glove'. But I must study more and pray for God's guidance in these matters.
    There are many (including pre-trib teachers) that can make things appear true and scholarly.
    There would appear to be truth in these "opposing" views. It may well be that God's sovereignty can be displayed in both?
    I agree that B.W.Newton,S.P.Tregelles,The Bonars'and even J.N.Darby were in a different age (well before 1948,67 etc)and Daniel was prophesying about 'the time of THE END'; 12.4.

    Thanks for that link to Tim Warner,I did actually happen upon it last week.
    There are all sorts of crazy speculations flying around the internet at the moment in respect of 'Antichrist spotting' that I wouldn't know where to start!

    Will report back in due course.

    God bless


  36. the mark of the beast and homosexuality

    Two diabolical forces racing toward a collision, both forcing their way upon others or else. Islam vs homosexuality as the mark. What do you think?

  37. Hello David:

    Thank you for visiting here.

    You present a very interesting point.

    While defiant homosexuual behaviour is a sin against God, and includes rebellious antichrist behaviour, is it "the" mark? I tend to think at this point that while the defiant life style against God's Word is antichrist, it may be one of the characteristics that is encompassed within "the" mark. To say it another way, the defiant homosexual belongs to or is part of the mark. In reality, anyone who does not accept Christ as God's only begotton son, such as Islam, is antichrist.

    Time will tell.

    The video from CBN on Tom Gill from Colorado was extremely informative. Keep up the good fight for our Lord. Blessings to you.