Sunday, December 09, 2007

Pre-Tribulation Rapture False Doctrine

  • For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. I Thessalonians 4:14
For those of us who read and take the words of Jesus and Paul to mean what they say, it is easy to understand that there is no such thing as a pre-tribulation "rapture" of the saints of God.

 Jesus' disciples, in Matthew 24:3, asked Jesus for the sign of His coming, and of the end of the world. When we get to verses 29-31, Jesus answers his disciples question and he made it perfectly clear that the world would have tribulations from that time forward and right up to the end, and that we would see the abomination of desolation. He made it crystal clear, or the days of antichrist's reign/tribulation, then the sign of the Son of man would appear in the clouds of heaven.   Jesus made no mention of a secret pre tribulation rapture of the saints as your pre-trib promoters are peddling.AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS,
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER." vs. 29-31

The sign of the son of man appearing in the clouds of heaven is every believer's "blessed hope", and not a pre-tribulation rapture as your pre-tribulation rapture promoters try to tell you. Neither Jesus or Paul or Peter, John, James,  Daniel or Isaiah or any of the NT and OT prophets and writers ever taught such a thing as a pre-tribulation rapture.  Even James, the brother of Jesus wrote in his epistle in  James 5:7 to the saints "Be patient, therefore brethren until the coming of the Lord.  How could James ever  tell us that we must wait patiently  until the coming of the Lord, which is after the tribulation, unless we must be on earth enduring the entire tribulation?

 Likewise, Peter also associates and connects the coming of the Lord for his saints just before the Day of the Lord, or Armageddon  in 2 Peter 3:10-12 where Peter writes:
But the day of the Lord will comes as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then, that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.

LOOKING FOR AND HASTING UNTO THE COMING UNTO THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is our blessed hope that the Apostle Paul also wrote of in Titus 2:13 and glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ", and not a pre-tribulation secret rapture; at which time the righteous dead will be resurrected followed by the catching away of all the saints alive on earth at that time.

This is exactly what Paul is talking about in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17:"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrorw not, even as others which have no hope."

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you, that we which are alive and remain UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD, shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God;

AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST, THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR; AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD." 

Additionally, Paul also writes in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53:

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP,; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

There is nothing written here that even implies a pre-tribulation rapture of the saints as you pre-tribulation rapture promoters would have you believe. Notice carefully here in the words of Paul what he is saying and what Paul is NOT SAYING is that we just disappear in an instant, as your pre-tribulation rapture promoters would have you believe. This is a complete distortion of the Word of God.

Paul is saying exactly what is written, i.e., we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in an instant before we are caught up to mee the Lord in the air, Those who are alive and remain must first be changed from corruptible to incorruptible because, as Paul writes in I Corinthians 15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

First the dead saints must be resurrected from their graves in their new bodies and afterwards, those living saints will get their new bodies, and as I have already pointed out from the words of Jesus, the resurrection of the righteous dead as recorded in John's Gospel, this does not take place until the last day.l!!John 6:39-44; John 11:24. Jesus will come for His elect, or saints on the last dayl, which is the day of the resurrection. All of this occurs on the same day and this day is the same day that Jesus appears in the clouds as shown from Matthew's Gospel Chapter 24:29-31.

 Please read my presentation here on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture to learn more about this fallacy when you have completed reading this presentation here.

Today, there are multitudes of message boards on the web that call themselves "christian" that refuse to allow the pre-tribulation rapture fallacy to be exposed for what it is, and that is a lie from satan himself used to divide and deceive the body of Christ. Scripture is distorted and twisted, hacked up and cherry picked to say something that is not written at all in the scriptures to fit into a pre-tribulation rapture scenario.

 Your pre-tribulation rapture promoters would rather take the words of a man made false doctrine who tell them what their itching ears want to hear over the words of Jesus, and John, James  and Paul and Peter and all of your NT and OT writers and prophets.You will be locked out of these message board forums by their moderators or shunned and intimidated if you present the words of Jesus, John, Peter, James  and Paul to refute their false pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, which is a very dangerous belief.

This is just another example of the deplorable condition the professed body of Christ is in today, and any attempt to expose this deplorable condition will be met with derision, judgementalism, and condescension. When one cannot refute the catching away of the saints after the tribulation of those days from the scripture presention of the truth from the Word of God, the only thing left for pre-tribulation rapture promoters to do is falsely accuse. And, if one cannot get the simple truths of the catching away of the saints after the tribulation of those days as given to us directly by Jesus and Paul in the Holy Scriptures, then certainly these same people on these message boards cannot be trusted with other pertinent "religious" material and doctrines they promote on their message boards in the name of "christian." The safest thing for any believer and follower of Christ to do today is to simply check a message board's terms of service or rules before registering or partaking in any discussion there. If a message board has a "pre-trib only policy", or promotes a pretribulation rapture of the church, then it would be best to simply stay away from it entirely, as the truth of God's word is being attacked on all fronts today and especially from the "professed body of Christ" who participate in these "so-called Christian message boards."

I have read numerous times on various message boards and elsewhere where professing Christians will ask, "why are we even concerned about this?" "It doesn't affect our salvation." "Why does it even matter that some believe in a pre-trib and some believe in a post-trib rapture?" I have read where professing Christians have said, "as long as we believe in the core issues concerning salvation, it doesn't really matter." YES IT DOES MATTER..
This is yet another satanic deception and wrong, because the pre-tribulation rapture theory is heretical and false teaching and neither the Lord nor His Apostles ever taught such a thing and it is not what the Bible teaches. Secondly, this is a lukewarm attitude toward what the Scriptures have to say to us. All Christians are required to search the scriptures themselves for the truth, as the bereans did, so they are equipped to defend and stand on the Word of God when the enemy attacks. The pre-tribulation rapture changes the very teachings of Jesus, Peter, and Paul and the prophet Daniel to tickle the ears of the people who have sadly bought into this deception and this is no small matter.

The writings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, and Daniel never gave us the option to choose between a pre-trib or a post-trib rapture, therefore, only one can be right. The fact is, there is absolutely no Scripture written that even remotely suggests a pre-tribulation catching away of the saints; however, we do have Scripture that points to a catching away of the saints after the tribulation of those days, spoken by Jesus himself.

As it is written in Revelation 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works UNTO THE END, to him will I give power over the nations:", so shall it be.
POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE


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32 comments:

  1. Anonymous10:46 PM

    What a truly fantastic blog! You are to be congratulated for standing up for the Lord and His Word and against those who pervert or ignore the Word.
    You, I am sure, would enjoy Googling or Yahooing "Pretrib Rapture Desperados," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," and "Famous Rapture Watchers" - all penned by evangelical historian Dave MacPherson who also authored the current bestselling book "The Rapture Plot" (Armageddon Books). Keep plugging away for the Lord!
    Bruce

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  2. God's Lu1:50 AM

    I used to be a pre-tribber. Quite simply, that's the only message I'd ever heard on radio, in church, in books, etc. Then, in searching the scriptures, the Holy Spirit began to unveil the truth. There will be a huge falling away in the last days, and I firmly believe that the pre-trib lie will be, to a great extent, the cause of it. Believing that Jesus is going to come back secretly and wisk us away on a fleecy golden cloud is keeping our brethren from preparing for the tribulation to come. So many people will be caught by surprise and lose faith when it is apparent that the great tribulation has begun, that they will no longer know what to believe. They will assume that because their "scripturally sound" theory is a lie, then much of what they came to believe from God's word will be false, as well. This will undoubtedly lead people to lose faith, since they are so incredibly unprepared for the persecution to come. Since we know the truth, it's up to us to spread it, regardless of what others may think of us. God be with you in all things, and may He continue to grace you with the courage to write the truth.

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  3. Anonymous2:28 PM

    I totally agree with your belief in the post-trib rapture, because it is so consistent with the scriptures you listed, as well as some found in Revelations. If you read Rev 7:9-17 it is clear that the survivers of the tribulation only appear in heaven AFTER the sixth seal. The seventh seal marks the beginning of God's wrath poured out on the earth. However, those who believe and teach the pre-trib rapture are still our brothers, as it is so easy to be deceived in these days, so we must warn them but not rebuke them. God bless.

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  4. saveoursoulsministries@comcast.net1:22 AM

    great teaching. stick to the preaching of Gods true word.. i had a debate with my pastor on this and he was very argumentative and i told him that we need to prepare the people for the tribulation. he told me God wouldnt alllow us to go through that tribulation cause He loves us.. he also said thats for the people who wasnt ready and has to be witness too by the 2 witnessess after the church is taken up.. so anotherwards he believes that the church will be raptured then the tribulation will be for those who got left behind, but some might make it through after that.. lol... but same time its not funny cause im the minister of church and i believe 100% he is wrong but yet he is the pastor and they listen to pastor... pray for him and the church

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  5. To my friends here in this entry who have responded, thank you for your support and encouragement. To saveoursoulsministries, we need more ministers as yourself. I believe that some of the pre-trib people are now having their eyes opened as more and more biblical prophecy is taking place right before our very eyes, and "they're still here" when some of them thought they should be gone by now. lol! Blessings to you, my friends.

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  6. Anonymous12:36 PM

    i set out to secure my belief in the pre trib rapture...and ,oops,i couldnt find it!!!now, looking at the pre trib theory really makes me see how blinded ALOT of people are on this. we have alway been told how it will be and thats that. (besides,those charts cant be wrong, can they?)the holes in pre trib are big and getting bigger all the time...the top reason i am not pre trib is because NO ONE can tell me what happens to the millions of people that get saved during the 7 years...there would have to be two raptures two resurrections of the dead,two marraige suppers , two judgement seats etc etc...there will be a rapture, however,the pre trib rapture is NOT IN THE BIBLE!!!

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  7. Anonymous11:35 PM

    Amen! Found a good article on Google that shows the history of how the pretrib rapture was invented and then grew into today's monstrosity. It is entitle "Pretrib Rapture Diehards." It is only 178 years old! Lord bless. Russell

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  8. To Rev. J R White, Jr.

    Hello, Rev.

    I must disagree with you. There is absolutely nothing in Revelation 2:22 that says there is a pre-tribulation rapture. Like all pre-tribulation believers, you are putting words into scripture that simply are not there to make scripture say something it does not say.

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  9. Anonymous9:19 PM

    The book of Revelation mainly describes the tribulation. The church is not mentioned after chapter 4. Why would that be? Is it because the church has been taken up..maybe. We are told to be ready for the Lords return. Well if the church goes into the tribulation then we will almost know the day of his return once the seven year treaty is signed by the anti-christ. Some say that the church has to go into the tribulation to be cleansed but that can't be right because we that are saved and have our faith in Jesus have been cleansed by his blood on the cross and there is no other cleansing required. I really can't understand why our Lord would want his church to go into the tribulation. This is a period of Gods wrath, I would think that our Lord would not want his children to suffer in this point of history. God delivered Noah and also Lot before he sent his wrath so why would he allow his bride to go into the tribulation. I believe that many Christians will go into the tribulation because they are not living as a true Christian should live and still call themselfs Christians. But I guess they will be woken up as the tribulation will be a horrible horrible time. Would our Lord let his children to go into such a horrible time a time of horrors never see before on this earth. A time of Gods wrath that will make man want to kill himself but he will not be able to. Well this is all food for thought but Im sure our Lord will deliver his bride from the wrath to come.

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  10. Hi Anonymous:

    Actually the tribulation period is a time of satan's wrath, not God's.

    God's wrath does not come until just before He removes his saints or just before Jerusalem is under seige at the Day of the Lord, when the Lord defends Jerusalem, His people in Israel, and defeats satan and the enemies of God.

    God delivered Noah and his family, that is correct, but he did not rapture them out of this world, he provided a place of safety for them because Noah obeyed and built the ark as God told him to. Our ark is Jesus Christ. He is our hiding place.

    The word “church” is synonyms with “saints”, “elect”, “chosen”or , Christian, servant … You can do a word search from a Greek-Hebrew concordance and all through the NT scriptures, you will find that the church refers to the saints, chosen, elect, people of God, as well as Christians and “church”, servant etc. In the Old Testament, the word “congregation” is also used to refer to these adjectives.

    For instance, the 144,000 sealed from the twelve tribes of Israel referred to in Revelation 7 are most certainly saints, elect, chosen, Christian and part of “the church” of Christ.. Any Jewish person who has become born again is all of the above, the same as anyone who is Gentile.

    In Revelation 15:3-4, John hears the tribulation survivors who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark and over the number of his name. These are the elect, saints, chosen, Christians or “church, ” etc.

    We know from Scripture that the catching away of the saints will occur at a loud trumpet of God-- See Revelation 10:7

    Just after the activities of the A/C are revealed in Revelation 13:10, the scripture reads:
    “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”. Please be aware that God is not going to save “whole” “churches”, as Christ shows in His warning to the seven churches of Revelation, and we need to heed the warning. Every “church” has some bad apples and the Lord is calling His saints to endure the tribulation faithfully in vs. 10.

    Pre-tribulation false teachers are quick to point out the word “church” is not found after Chapter 4 of the Revelation, and say because the tribulation period is within these chapters or Chapter 6 thru 16, the absence of the word “church” is “evidence” that the “church” will not go through the tribulation period. This is very disturbing because it removes the warning that Christ gave to the end time saints.

    Jesus Himself testifies in Revelation 22:16 by saying “I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto these things in “the churches”.

    If the prophecies of Revelation were written “for the churches”, why are so many Christians avoiding these prophecies?

    Even in the first Chapter of The Revelation, the “church” is called servants in the very first sentence,

    and the third verse says: “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein; for the time is at hand. This was put there for a reason.

    Hope this helps. Blessings

    Toni

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  11. Anonymous said...

    Hi there Blog owner. I don't expect you to post this comment. But I would like you to watch this video on the rapture because I have so many question but this video does make sense. Anyway it's really worth watching. Here is the link.

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  12. Hello Anonymous

    Files From Toni Blog does not promote a pretribulation rapture doctrine for obvious reasons, many of which are mentioned here. To answer your many questions that you have, I suggest you read the two articles I have written listed under "Top Reads" in the ride side column of this blog on this topic.

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  13. To Nathan Jones:

    Please see above comments. This blog does not promote a pretribulation false doctrine rapture theory.

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  14. Anonymous9:59 PM

    Hi Toni,

    Thanks for your reply. I should have put my name on my post. Mine is the posted time of 9:19PM. Anyhow I would like to ask a general question for someone to answer me. Question is: What would be the reason why the church would go into the tribulation? And also. When in the tribulation does
    the church get taken out. Is it mid way or near the end of the seven years...Im just not sure. Looking forward to the answers.

    Blessings
    John D
    Australia

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  15. Hi John from Down Under

    I will try to answer your question the best I can using Scripture in what I believe the Bible teaches and what the Lord has shown me:

    I believe the reason for the saints going through the tribulation is because it is precisely because of their presence on earth it will make the final week tolerable, God’s Holy Spirit within His people on earth is the only way to save others who are perishing, we will be teaching and encouraging other believers and new believers to watch for the Lord’s coming for us as we see more signs unfold, and finally the saints will be refined in the refiner’s fire during this time. The Apostle Peter tells us that judgment must start with the house of God.and the elect people of God must also be purified.

    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

    The Lord makes it quite clear however, that some saints will be persecuted and killed during the tribulation period in Revelation 14:12,13;20:4; however, this is not God’s wrath. This is the wrath of satan that will persecute and kill Christians during this time.

    Jesus made it quite clear that the great tribulation period is defined not as an act of wrath against His church, or the world for that matter, but an act of wrath against the Jews in the Holy Land at that time: This is pointed out in Luke’s Gospel Chapter 21... Pay particular attention to the 22nd and 23rd verse below, that mention the vengence and wrath:

    Luke 21:20-23 (King James Version)
    20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    The seige of Jerusalem will eventually lead up to God’s wrath at Armageddon, which arrives in the final days at the 7th Trumpet and the 6th Seal, which the Lord’s Saints on earth will be delivered from at this time. This is when God punishes the world’s nations with his wrath and defeats the enemies of Israel and the satanic enemies of God, and satan.

    I hope this helps. If you have any more questions, just ask and I will try to answer as best I can.

    Blessings,
    Toni

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  16. Hi John:

    Here’s some more scripture that verifies that the wrath endured during the great tribulation comes from the man of sin, and is not God’s wrath, and the saints or church will be here.

    Daniel 7:21 confirms that the man of sin, or A/C will war with God‘s people or saints for three and one half years.

    “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    And Daniel 7“25 reads:

    “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most high, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time..


    Revelation 13:7 also confirms this: “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations.”

    Now, read what Daniel 12:1,2 reveals concerning the gathering of the saints during the time after the A/C
    Has set up his tents and sets out to conquer in Israel at the end of the tribulation. (You should also read the preceeding Chapter Daniel 11 to get the full picture of what the A/C is doing at the end of the tribulation.)

    “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of the people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was (great tribulation spoken of by Jesus in Luke’s and Matthew’s Gospel) since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.. VS 1

    AND MANY OF THEM THAT SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH SHALL AWAKE, SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SOME TO SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT. VS. 2

    Verse 2 above is the resurrection of the righteous in Christ, which comes at the end of the great tribulation. The catching away, or rapture of the saints, comes immediately after the righteous dead are raised according to scripture, and this is at the end of the great tribulation period, before the great Day of the Lord.

    Blessings,
    Toni

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  17. Anonymous8:39 PM

    Thanks for that Toni,

    Hey just changing the subject here. For many years now I have wondered who would be the ones that will persecute Christians. I understand that whole A/C bit but you have to have a certain type of person that would be more that happy to kill Christians. For so long I have wondered what type of person will carry out these horrible things. Now Im not saying I am a 100% right here, but, I look at the world today and it seems very clear that there are a people that would be very willing to kill Christians right now if they had the freedom to do so. The answer I have come up with is the Muslims.

    I have just watched a Documentary called 'The Third Jihad' I strongly recommend all Christians and non-Christians to watch this film. It will shock you as it did me. There are a lot of news type interviews in this film so the information is coming right from the horses mouths, so to speak. After I watched this film I was really amazed of the hate these people have to non-muslims. There are thing in this film that just will make your mouth drop open and Im not taking about suicide bombers I am talking about what they teach their own children.

    This film is not the only reason that made me think who would persecute Christians. I have been watching what is happening in places like London and speaking to people over there and how bad it is there. One person told me that you as a English person born in the UK he can't walk into certain areas..DAY or NIGHT. I was told they are very smart. They will not attack you first but they will provoke you to a point that you may take a swing at them. Once you have taken that swing they will attack you full on.

    So if these things are happening right now in our world you can see how easy it will be to take it to the next level.

    We just had a very good example of how the truth can be bent and twisted and the world will believe it. That example is the recent flotilla mess. The way the many stream media reported the event and slammed Israel shows us how the media can take sides and lie. I must admit that Israel could have done things better like releasing the video evidence a lot sooner.

    When running a navel blockade this is what normally would happen. The ship would be asked to move out of the area. If they don't then a warning shot is next maybe even two. If that does not change their minds then the next shot sinks the ship. That's how it works. But see the media did not say how lucky these ships had been that Israel did not fire on them because they had every right to do so.

    Well I have gone on a bit here..sorry

    As for that film I know you can watch it on youtube
    or maybe the video shop may have it. But it is a MUST see film. One thing I did not mention once I have seen this film I sat back in my chair and prayed for these people and praised God that I am his child and I have been saved. Amen

    John

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  18. Hi John:

    I am in total agreement with your analysis about muslims. Until they become converted to Christianity, they are the most satanic people on the face of this earth. The savage things they do to other people is beyond my comprehension, and can only come from a satanic religion, which is really an idealogy. If you read the prophecies of Daniel and Ezekiel, the nations who gang up on Israel in the very end of days are all muslim, and I believe the Bible teaches the A/C Kingdom comes from the Middle East and not the Revived Roman Empire as many have been taught. Many of these very same countries today made up the ancient empires spoken of by Daniel the prophet in the Book of Daniel. If you check out my right side bar, I have a site up there “The Beast From The East” I think you would be interested in looking over.

    I couldn’t find The Last Jihad on You Tube, but I have seen most of it, until I couldn’t watch it anymore.

    Here in an American city, Dearborn, Michigan, we are having a terrible problem with muslims like they have in European cities. Muslims have completely taken over the city, and Christians are not allowed to give the Gospel to muslims. And the police are arresting Christians if they do. I have an article up on the front page of my blog you may want to check out. Anyway, these same Christians were acquitted last year for doing the same thing they were arrested for this year in June-- speaking to muslims who were interested in knowing about Jesus Christ, and will fight it out again in court. . The police are helping the muslims establish Sharia Law in Dearborn, Michigan, USA. The Christians have an excellent legal firm representing them for free.

    Can you imagine the outrage of the media if Israel sank that Turkish flotilla terror ship? Israel needs to fight back and forget about what the world says or thinks because the world doesn’t care about Israel. And Obama is no friend of Israel so the sooner Israel realizes this, the better off they will be.

    We are truly blessed that we have been chosen by the Lord to receive His salvation. Even though the world hates us, we can always depend upon Jesus to see us through. All we have to do is call upon him. And we are very blessed that we weren’t born in a God forsaken Middle Eastern arab country also where people live in bondage under sharia law.

    Blessings,
    Toni

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  19. Anonymous8:36 PM

    Hi Toni,

    What you have written is so true. I know what you mean by watching that Doco. I watched it to the very end and yes it was a bit hard to take in parts. But I had a few questions answered by watching it. But we have the Lord on our side and that's all we need. We are to remain focused on him. Oh by the way I did find the doco on youtube I will leave the address at the bottom of this message. I strongly recommend anyone to take the time and watch this doco. Not to scare you but just to get a better understanding of what is happening out there and as a Christian to be mindful of it and above all to pray.

    We have the Lord God almighty and that is just so cool. Blessings to all of you and I strongly recommend to take the time to watch this Documentary. A lot of Christians in do have to say have their head in the sand and really do not understand what is happening out there. So I really encourage anyone reading this to pray and get closer to our Lord because the road is going to get a bit rocky but he will hold us close. Amen and Amen

    Blessings to all, here is the link below to the Documentary 'The Third Jihad'
    John

    link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osZ5TvhiTZQ

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  20. Thank you John for your inspiring words and the link. I will also put the video up on my right side bar.

    Blessings to you, brother

    Toni

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  21. Anonymous5:05 AM

    Hello, have any of you heard or read that the second coming of Christ and Jugdement Day will take place on May 21, 2011; and the end of this world and the entire physical universe will take place on October 21, 2011? The great tribulation period(which I think they mean a spiritual war) begun in the year 1988 and will end next year in 2011? The spirit of Satan has been controlling the churchs worldwide since that the year 1988 when the Holy Spirit left the churchs. I read that God's grace will finally shut for good on May 21, 2011; and it will be too late for sinners, non-belivers, and so-called christians. All the true believers or real christians will be raptured or removed from this earth and into the kingdom of God in heaven just before God's wrath is pour out for a 5 month period on May 21 to bring final punishment for all the lost.
    I read that about 7 billion will die as early as May 21, and as late as October 21 of next year. Only about 3 percent or 200 million genuine christinas will be saved. I first read about this info in a yellow pamphlet I found at a bus stop and later on the internet. I am not alliliated with this ministry and am not gonna mentions the name of the ministry. How they came to this conclusions? God told Noah that they have 7 days to get into the ark. I think God told Noah menkind have 7,000 years to get into the ark of Jesus Christ in the year 4990 BC. A day with the Lord is a 1,000 years and a 1,000 years is a day with the lord as it is written in 2 Peter 3:8. Most scholars believe or those who have a bible speculate the flood of Noah took place around about 2300 BC. From Genesis Chapter 7 when Noah and his family entered the ark to the call of Abramhan in Genesis Chapter 12 is about 400 years. They firmly believe that Noah's flood took place on 4990 BC and its been about 3,000 years from the entry into the ark to the call of Abraham. Speaking of the antichrist, Satan and his angels have been decieving men and women by disguising as the Holy Spirit or angels of light since the first century; and there been tribulations going on for centuries. I wonder is there any errs in Genesis Chaper 11 about the timeline? I read the King James version as well as the NIV bible.

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  22. Hi Anonymous:

    Many people have tried to predict when the catching away of Christ's Church will be, and have all been wrong, God's Word tells us no one knows the day or hour, but we can certainly know the general time frame and the season by the signs that Jesus gave us. Jesus would not have given us these signs to watch for His Coming if we were not meant to know the general time period. (Matthew Chapter 24) We are seeing all of these signs in our generation now coming together very rapidly as Israel and the negotiation and division of Jerusalem, Israel, God's Holy City, is front page news daily around the world.

    I personally have not heard of the May 21, 2011 theory you are referring to, but I caution you to believe the words of Jesus and the teachings of His apostles and be lead by His Holy Spirit over any human. You may want to check out this article in my right side bar for further reference to the coming of our Lord as it relates to the Jewish Feast Days.

    http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2008/05/israel-feast-days-blood-red-moon-and.html#links

    Blessings,

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  23. So if we're to undergo tribulation, does that means we will be tortured and tested by the Anti-Christ and his forces to see whether we will accept the mark of the beast? Or will we be miraculously protected or given the strength to endure the tribulation? Please explain in detail, as I do not want to be out of God's will.

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  24. Anonymous9:30 AM

    Anonymous said...
    PRETRIB RAPTURE – HIDDEN FACTS !

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He is now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. Since Jesus must personally participate in the rapture, and since He can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, the rapture therefore cannot take place before the end of the trib! Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who would be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which is Israel's posttrib resurrection!) If anyone wonders how long pretrib rapturism has been taught, he or she can Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 it was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Other Google articles throwing light on long-covered-up facts about the 180-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “X-Raying Margaret,” "Edward Irving is Unnerving," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and “Deceiving and Being Deceived” – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” which is available at Armageddon Books online. Just my two cents’ worth.

    10:06 PM

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  25. Hi Anonymous

    You have made some excellent points. Thank you for sharing and keep on fighting the good fight of truth for the Lord!

    Toni

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  26. I want to thank you for clarifying that Yahusha Ha'Mashiach will NOT come to "catch away" Christians until AFTER the Great Tribualtion Period. The love of most will grow cold and ONLY those who endure to the end shall be saved. We are instructed to PRAY that we may be found WORTHY to escape (this does NOT mean being taken out of the world by a secret "rapture") these things. All those who have added or subtracted from the prophecy of the book of Revelation SHALL receive the Wrath of Yahuah, Yahusha NOT being a liar, but WARNING the HEARERS about this matter.

    Thanks for listening,
    777denny

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  27. Blessings 777denny:

    Very nice blog you have. Thank you for all the information you have collected and printed.... It is very much appreciated I am sure by all who enter into your site.

    One of the main problems with the pre-tribulation followers is that they are listening to the pre-tribulation false teachers,who make millions off of their books they sell peddling this lie, and taking in what their itching ears want to hear instead of doing their own Bible reading and let the Word of God and Holy Spirit speak to them. But I am seeing more and more in the family of God coming to see the folly in the pre-tribulation rapture deception and we just have to keep getting the word out.

    God Bless
    Toni

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  28. Anonymous8:23 PM

    There is so much to say I find it hard to know exactly where to begin. I find the people on this site to be very sincere but very much mistaken when it comes to this topic. I see scripture quotes being applied to arguments which have nothing to do with the church whatsoever. Matt. 24 is not directed at the church. It is directed at Jewish believers. "Pray that your fleeing is not in winter or on the Sabbath." This is not a church directive -- its a Jewish directive. I've seen the verse, "only those who endure to the end will be saved." Oh, really? Does that sound like a, "we are saved by grace thru faith type of system or something completely different.If you said different you'd be correct. That's because the tribulation period is not a new testament dispensation--it's an old testament dispensation. The Holy Spirit, which seals all believer in the church age will no longer seal tribulation saints. He will simply come upon them like in the days of the old testament. Remember David pleading with God not to remove His Holy Spirit from him? Do you ever see a believer in Christ crying out to God to not remove His Holy Spirit. No? You don't? Good, neither do I. That's because the Lord promises to never leave us nor forsake us. However, in the tribulation a believer will be responsible to keep his salvation,(Look at Rev. 14:12. Salvation is by keeping the commandments and ones faith in Christ. In other words, enduring till the end. That's something different than in the church age where we are sealed in Christ simply by repenting of our sins and trusting in Christ for our salvation. Our works are an outward expression of our faith in Christ, not a vehicle for salvation. However, in the tribulation the saints will need to continue in the commands of God as per the newly built temple. The Old Testament economy, which has a seven year time line yet to complete before the millennial reign of Christ can begin (see Dan ch.9) is continued in the tribulation period, not the church age. This is the biggest mistake believers make when interpreting prophecy. They attribute scripture to the wrong audience. This creates great confusion. Look, those of you who believe we are going into the tribulation period and are not preparing for it are foolish. But I will take it a step further; those who believe that God will beat his bride before He marries her are even more foolish. The tribulation period is a tribulation OF GOD directed at the world--It is not a tribulation of the world directed at the church. I see the verse; "In the world you will have tribulation..." so misused by you people that it is disturbing. Every church generation has suffered some type of tribulation from the world. Jesus tells us to expect this. Not only that, but he tells us if we're doing this christian thing right we will be guaranteed of it. But, please, for the love of Pete, don't confuse this with THE (definite article)TRIBULATION.
    Okay, still don't believe me? Alright, go ahead, stock up on food stuff, and make sure you have a gun to protect it so the other people, who will be starving no doubt, won't be able to steal it from you. Isn't that what Jesus taught you to do. I mean, hey if people don't prepare for a time of trouble they ought to pay the price, right? Just remember, While your using your resources today to buy food to feed your fat face tomorrow, real believers in Christ will be using their resources today to share the Gospel with the lost among them in this dying world. So buy your food and don't forget your guns -- I mean Jesus wouldn't want you to share or anything like that...would He? Jesus won't beat His bride before He marries her. He knows how to treat His wife.

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  29. To Anonymous:

    We who take Jesus and his apostles' word to mean what they say without adding to or taking from the word of God are very familiar with all of the cliches' and deceptions pre-tribbers throw at us without one scriptural proof for a pre-tribulation rapture; obviously because there is no scripture to back this satanic doctrine up.

    Matthew 24 is directed for the church, saints, or elect of God, whatever you want to call them. They are one in the same. Jewish Christians are not distinguished from Gentile Christians... There is neigher Jew nor Greek. Are you now telling me Jewish believers do not belong to the church when you say Matthew 24 is not directed to the church?

    For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave 58 nor free, there is neither male nor female 59 – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, 60 heirs according to the promise. Galatians Chapter 3

    Your opinions and theories are noted; but they are not of the Holy Scriptures. It is because the Lord has promised to never leave or forsake His children that he will be with us during the great tribulation, comforting us and guiding us through it, (Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world-Matthew 28:20) as He did Noah on the ark after the wicked were destroyed.

    My dear confused anonymous friend, the church will go through great tribulation just as the scriptures tell us, some will die, some will be leading others to Christ, some will be there only to encourage others, but the Lord will see us through. No where in all of Scripture is a pre-tribulation rapture of the church taught. It is a made up money-making fantasy theory not based upon the word of God.

    I have written much about the timing of the catching away of the saints of God, based upon the scriptures so there is no need to be repetitive here. I suggest you read through my articles to gain more insight, and read the Bible. God will open up your eyes to the truth.

    Blessings to you.

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    1. Anonymous12:25 PM

      Honestly, it wouldn't matter if it was only directed to the tribes of Israel or not, because anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts, IS ISRAEL. We have been grafted back into the Olive Tree. It's also important to understand that the jewish people are only one of the 12 tribes.

      You can't be a member of the tribe of Mannasseh, or Gad, and be a jew. Jews are the tribe of Judah, they are not representative of all 12 tribes.

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  30. SM said

    Thank you so much for this post--and for the awesome video that really puts it together/explains it much better than I've been able to.

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  31. To Bruce:

    A belated thank you to you for your kind words in the first comment of this article. As I have told others, things often get very hectic on my end and sometimes get away from me.

    Blessings,
    Toni
    6/28/11

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